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Conversations on immigration and refugees that go beyond the predictable soundbites. Join Alex Aleinikoff and guests for in-depth discussions on what's happening on the ground and how to understand current policy debates.

Mar 5, 2020

#AbolishIce has helped define the immigration debate in the U.S. It is a rallying cry by those opposed to Trump Administration policies and heavy-handed tactics of immigration officers. It has also been used as a cudgel against immigration advocates, who some of the Rights have claimed want "open borders." Hiroshi Motomura and Azadeh Shahshahani help us understand the meaning, promise and perils of the Abolish Ice movement.

This episode was co-produced by Clara Beccaro.